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Hospitals on short end

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Wednesday, October 8, 2008

Two years after the state agreed to pay off the hundreds of millions of dollars owed to hospitals for Medicaid patients - and a year after it began to make payments - the state's debt is still accumulating.

Some hospitals say they're owed more now than before.

"We figure it's (accruing) about $10 a minute," said Joe Wood, finance director for St. Mary's Regional Medical Center in Lewiston.

In 2006, state and federal governments owed Maine hospitals about $330 million for services provided to patients with Medicaid, the government's health insurance program for the poor. The state was responsible for about one third of the debt and the federal government owed about two-thirds, but hospitals could not get the federal payments until the state first paid its share. The debt went back years.

Gov. John Baldacci agreed to pay off the state's share of the Medicaid bills, $122 million, over four years. The payments began last year and were slated to go through fiscal year 2011.

The governor also agreed to increase future payments so the state wouldn't find itself in debt to the hospitals again.

Those future payments haven't been enough.

For fiscal year 2009, for example, the state projected hospitals' Medicaid costs would reach $472 million. They will actually reach about $540 million.

"The gap continues," said Brenda Harvey, commissioner of the Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees Medicaid in Maine. "Perhaps at a lesser pace, but the gap continues."

Although many hospital officials say they applaud the governor for setting up - and sticking to - a payment schedule, they worry about the debt that continues to accrue.

"There is no answer in sight to catch the hospitals up to fully what is owed," said Richard Batt, president of Franklin Memorial Hospital in Farmington.

He said his hospital is owed nearly as much as it was in 2006, despite receiving a few million dollars in back payments.

"For us, it grows every day," Batt said.

Franklin Memorial is suing the state in state and federal courts. It wants Maine to pay its debts in full and not accrue any more.

Many hospitals have taken out lines of credit, according to the Maine Hospital Association. Others have put off buying new equipment or making other improvements.

"We've got severe cash problems in Maine hospitals," said Steven Michaud, president of the Maine Hospital Association.

He has faith the government will pay what it owes, but for right now, he said, the debt "is a huge deal."

The state, however, points out that Medicaid money accounts for, on average, 12 to 15 percent of a hospital's revenue.

"If the other 85 percent (of revenue) is coming in as expected, then one might ask, 'Is it reasonable that there's a hardship here?'" Harvey said.

Still, the state is working on ways to lessen future debt, most notably by changing the way it calculates payments so there is less estimation involved and by finding primary care doctors for Medicaid patients so they don't have to use the hospital emergency room for routine care.

The debt has accumulated, in part, because more Medicaid patients are using hospitals than the state expected. Medicaid, also known as MaineCare, insures about 273,000 people in Maine.

"We have been chipping away at that (debt) in major chunks. Yet the same message seems to come across to the public in that we owe the hospitals all this money and we're not doing anything about it. That's not my perspective whatsoever," Harvey said.

"And in the climate of having to decide what programs we cut and paying hospitals their debt, I understand the liability is a first priority, but Maine citizens need to continue to get services, too."

Estimated amounts of MaineCare money the state owes to hospitals for fiscal years 2005-08:

• Central Maine Medical Center, Lewiston: $68 million

• Franklin Memorial Hospital, Farmington: $25.5 million

• St. Mary's Regional Medical Center, Lewiston: $12.3 million

• Stephens Memorial Hospital, Norway: $7.4 million

• Bridgton Hospital: $7.3 million

• Rumford Hospital: $1.6 million

Source: Maine Department of Health and Human Services



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Posted By:tim at October 8, 2008 6:31 AM (Suggest Removal)
Pay up state of Maine, i get 90 days before it goes to collections....also the state need to not allow Maine care to change there co-pays, the system is broken, FIX IT i hope most of Augusta need to look for work next election go around. Slightly off topic people on Maine care still "charge" there co-pays with little intent of paying them back esp in the retail pharmacy world. however they have money for cars, cigs, soda, im not making a blanket statement but i would say 80% of people will charge their co-pay in retail pharmacy but have money to have a big mac and a cigarette, WE NEED CHANGE

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Posted By:helga at October 8, 2008 6:53 AM (Suggest Removal)
The people on it abuse it, and the state condones it. I wonder how much of the money owed, is due to child birth? How many births did we pay for, for women who already have kids on welfare and Mainecare? If you are on welfare and Mainecare and choose to have another child funded by the tax payers, you should LOSE ALL benefits. We need to put a stop to this kind of fraud.

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Posted By:John in Auburn at October 8, 2008 7:20 AM (Suggest Removal)
If all residents withheld 15% of their taxes to the state you can bet we would all be in jail.Also, Harvey is quoted as saying....."....but Maine citizens need to continue to get services, too." Seems to me the people ARE getting the hospital services, that is why the state owes them money.

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Posted By:helga at October 8, 2008 8:07 AM (Suggest Removal)
Bong, I have an awesome mother. She is the hardest worker I know, 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. My grandmother worked until she was 85 and brought 3 children up on HER OWN in the 1940's. I come from a line of strong working women, who instilled great moral values in me. What about your mom Bong? Welfare case? By the way Bong there is a big difference between being down on your luck and continuously sucking off the system. Being a mother is the most important job in the world, if you cant handle being one, dont become one. So go pound sand Bong!!!

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Posted By:helga at October 8, 2008 8:17 AM (Suggest Removal)
Oh, and yes Bong I would sterilize every woman who continues to have children they cant and dont want to take care of. It should be a crime to keep having kids you cant take care of. Look at all the childrens lives that get ruined because their mother is a scumbag, the children are the ones who suffer.

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Posted By:Jamie at October 8, 2008 8:19 AM (Suggest Removal)
Michaud has to be an idiot. Why don't we take 15% of his pay and see how long it takes for him to start crying poverty. Hospitals like any other business in Maine are operating on a thin line margin line. By the way...what do you think is happening with the other 85%. While people on Maine care are paying their 5 dollar per visit or test, the rest of us are being stuck with anywhere between $1000.00 to $2500 deductible each time we need significant health care. So, the rest of the 85% are likely paying in monthly installments. And don't forget, the state only pays one third. Multiply the above figures by 2/3 and add to get total amount owed. It's time to pay up.

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Posted By:MomOfTwo at October 8, 2008 8:47 AM (Suggest Removal)
You go helga!! Give 'em hell! I totally agree with you! Being "down on your luck" is a lifestyle in Maine. There are more abusers of the system than there are honest people who use it for what it was intended, a short-term crutch to get you back on your feet to the point where you can be responsible for yourself and your family. After my divorce my ex-husband, who previously was covered under my health insurance policy, became a MaineCare recipient. He tells me all the time it's the best insurance he's ever had. Doesn't pay a dime and he goes to the ER every time he has a headache. My insurance has a $100 co-pay for an ER visit. I NEVER go to the ER unless it's a true emergency. They system is broken and it needs to be fixed. And yes, Jamie, I make monthly payments to the hospital for surgery I had 2 years ago that was not covered as a deductible by my insurance. If I don't make that monthly payment, I get sent to collections.

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Posted By:MomOfTwo at October 8, 2008 9:51 AM (Suggest Removal)
My guess Bong is that helga's children will turn out to be self-sufficient and self-reliant, much like their mother. Children learn what they live. I'm certain helga's children will be proud and won't take a handout any more than their mother would. Children brought up "on the state" will tend to continue that cycle as they know nothing else and it's "easy". Until society holds individuals accountable, including holding mother's and father's who continue to have babies they can't (or won't) financially support, this sorry state we are in will continue its downward spiral. You keep on keeping on, helga. Your children are learning valuable lessons on how to be responsible, self-reliant individuals, but you knew that already anyway. :)

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Posted By:go for it at October 8, 2008 9:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
The system is seriously broken. Mom of 2 hit it on the head. Her ex goes to the ER for everything. I would have no problem with the ERs turning away non-urgent or non emergency issues. I too have to pay $100.00 for ER visits. The last time I was in the ER for a true urgent matter a mom was there with her kid. She said straight out, "I could have taken him to his doctor on Friday but I decided to wait until Sunday so I could just come here instead and not pay." that is sick. She risked her kid's health for money! She was mad too because her issue wasn't urgent and urgent cases were taken before her kid.

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Posted By:Betty at October 8, 2008 10:09 AM (Suggest Removal)
Let me guess Bonj...you are a Democrat. And you probably believe that by voting No on Question 1 your health insurance premiums will be lower. NOT! This is once again just another tax to help supplement the Govenor's STUPID Dirigo Health Care plan. The State of Maine and the Governor need to step up to the plate, pay their debts and rein in the horrific abuse of the MaineCare system. All children should be entitled to FREE well baby checks and immunizations. At the age of 18...unless you are proven by 2 independant physicians to be disabled...you need to be working and attempting to help yourself. THen and only then should the State help to SUPPLEMENT (that being the key word) and help with your health insurance. As a taxpayer, I am tired of supplementing the lazy 20 somethings in this State who walk the streets all day with their baby strollers, smoke, talk on their cell phones and SUCK THE SYSTEM DRY.

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Posted By:Jen at October 8, 2008 11:53 AM (Suggest Removal)
I work in the insurance industry and it's not just Mainecare people going to the ER for stupid ish. People do it everyday...and THAT's what makes your premiums so high! Oh...and Dirigo too, of course.

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Posted By:Betty at October 8, 2008 11:54 AM (Suggest Removal)
Bonj, I don't think you know from what you speak. There are ways to lower health care premiums...our legislature just needs to "open" the arena for more insurance companies to compete. Our neighbors in NH do not pay the same premiums we do. So it is not the "nature of the beast". As far as Democratic "values"....I assume that you "generally, not always, but generally" agree with raising taxes to pay for failing systems (Dirigo), or any other government hairbrain idea that comes along. And, believe it not...research is far more expensive than managing an illness. The problem is...people with diseases like diabetes, lung disease and heart disease don't always take responsibility for their illnesses. They continue to smoke, eat the wrong foods, maintain unhealthy weights and don't exercise. You see...it's much easier to "take a pill" and blame someone else for your problems.

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Posted By:Rather be safe then sorry at October 8, 2008 12:23 PM (Suggest Removal)
The healthcare in this state has been messed up for a long time, and unfortunately will most likely stay that way, however I don't think it's fair to look at just the "diabetes management industry". My Dad has been a diabtetic for a number of years now and there is no cure as much as I wish there was, there isn't a cure for restarting the "natural insulin machine" that is in all of our bodies that has shut down on him, our bodies functions like machines, sometimes you do all you can to take care of it but it still breaks down. That is life, I am an American die hard but sometimes I wished I lived back in Switzerland because they don't use the chemicals we do here. It's all natural.

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Posted By:helga at October 8, 2008 12:24 PM (Suggest Removal)
Bong, I know you are cloudy this time of day, but try to remember that you are the one brought up my mother. Bong are you trying to apply the double standard here? My children are very caring, they know that there are less fortunate people than them and they have compassion, but they also know you need to work for what you want and take care of your own. If you consider being fed up with welfare and its recipiants "mean spirited", then guilty as charged.

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Posted By:helga at October 8, 2008 3:33 PM (Suggest Removal)
BonJ, Im not trying to diminish you, just irritate you. So I take it you have no response to the mother issue because you remembered you were the one to cast the first stone? You skate around alot of subjects, even ones you bring up, typical liberal.

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Posted By:Gene at October 8, 2008 6:19 PM (Suggest Removal)
why deal with the Bonj, his game is to provoke, don't play it, or better yet...let's show him at the polls! let's change this state and the course it's heading! we can't change it all this election but our voices can be heard. we have had enough! there are too many broken systems out there currently, fix them don't add to them! McCain, said last night he'd have insurance available across state lines, something to consider on election day! or let government take it over...only you decide!

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Posted By:DONALD R at October 8, 2008 6:57 PM (Suggest Removal)
This whole entitlement system is sick and needs serious reform. Before any of you start crying "what about the children",why don't you stop and think how these children are being raised? Never to have pride in their parents hard work and sacrifices to provide for their families. How disabling to be able to quit your job on Tuesday and be able to get Mainecare and foodstamps on Thursday. Yes, you heard me, the system is disabling people...the more you give to someone for doing nothing,the more of nothing they want to do. A hard line here needs to be taken and better screening of those seeking "help" needs to take place. Geez, I wonder how all those "down on their luck" have the balls to cry they can't feed themselves, but immediately light up a butt when they walk out the door. Folks, you are being had...

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Posted By:Don at October 8, 2008 7:17 PM (Suggest Removal)
Do you people actually believe what comes out of a Politicians mouth during election time?

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Posted By:Dr. Hassan Bin Sobah at October 8, 2008 7:45 PM (Suggest Removal)
The overdue payments are symbolic of the terrible joke the Democrats have visited on the State of Maine. They have made Maine citizens "deadbeats." We, as citizens, owe this money. We have elected people, such as Rotundo, Craven, Wagner, Simpson, who have rung up a bill from the health care providers and refuse, yes, refuse, to pay the bill. These people (Rotundo et al) are common deadbeats who have made all of us deadbeats. If you cannot pay for your social programs, Democrats, don't keep them in place. We have users of the largesse who walk into the emergency room with a sniffle. We have people who will call an ambulance to get a ride because they would have to pay a cabbie. In 2006, the MHA cut a deal with the "devil" that made the hospital bill issue disappear from the campaign. So Steve Michaud can cry me a river.

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Posted By:NightCrawler at October 8, 2008 8:44 PM (Suggest Removal)
Simple solution. Hospitals and doctors who are owed money from the State of Maine should cease accepting MaineCare. Problem solved. It's no different than if I went into an Irving station, filled up my gas tank, and told the cashier that I MIGHT pay them later. Yep, this socialized medicine stuff works just great, don't it? But don't worry, Obama will take care of everything! LMAO!

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Posted By:NightCrawler at October 8, 2008 8:48 PM (Suggest Removal)
Memo to Helga, MomOfTwo, Betty and all other posters who have higher-than-average intelligence: try to ignore the stoner bottom feeders like Bongboy. They are not worthy of our time.

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Posted By:horsefeathers at October 8, 2008 10:17 PM (Suggest Removal)
The headlines HOSPITALS ON SHORT END is another smoke screen so that everyone will feel sorry for our dysfunctional legistlators trying to balance a budget and vote NO on the repeal. There will be nothing but whinning, pissing and moaning over all the financial shortfalls in Augusta until election day. Vote yes and push for another petition to put all the state employees on Dirigo health. Those pick pockets in Augusta deserve no better.

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Posted By:horsefeathers at October 8, 2008 10:33 PM (Suggest Removal)
Helga, Mom of two and Betty try to get an IMPEACH IGNORANCE sign from John Frarys campaign.

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